13. Ch 15

Respond to 2 of the below questions in 2 separate posts of 4+ sentences each. At least one of your posts should respond to a classmate. All of these questions are related, so feel free to tie them together, but you ultimately still need 2 separate posts.

  • What is the difference between the two groups of men who confront Atticus in this chapter? What is each group’s goal?
  • When the court case is first introduced, Atticus tells Scout, “This time we aren’t fighting the Yankees, we’re fighting our friends. But remember this, no matter how bitter things get, they’re still our friends and this is still our home” (102). In Chapter 15, who are Atticus’s “friends”? Who are his enemies? Is he fighting against friends, enemies, or both? And why is this question complicated?
  • In an earlier conversation with Uncle Jack, Atticus says, “Why reasonable people go stark-raving mad when anything involving a Negro comes up, is something I don’t pretend to understand” (117). What does this quote foreshadow that happens in Chapter 15? Be specific about how the quote applies to this chapter.
  • Why do the men at the jail leave? What does their exit reveal about the men that might be surprising?

 

32 thoughts on “13. Ch 15”

  1. The men leave jail in a way that is shocking. The men demanded that he is exited from jail they sorta put them on the spot and made them take him out. The car coming to town at 10:00 at night makes the way out of jail a way that does not happen at all until now. They get out of jail with a group of men in a car.

  2. Sydney Hildreth said:

    In an earlier conversation with Uncle Jack, Atticus says, “Why reasonable people go stark-raving mad when anything involving a Negro comes up, is something I don’t pretend to understand” (117). What Uncle Jack says foreshadows what happens in chapter 15. There are two different groups who confront Atticus. The jail group were the ones who were going “stark-raving mad” when they found out that Tom Robinson was in the jail. The other group went the to he Finch’s house to inform him that Tom Robinson had been sent to jail. The groups each had their own opinions on Tom Robinson; one group even tried to physically harm Tom Robinson.

    • I agree with Sydney that the jail group was definitely the ones that were “stark-raving mad” when anything about a negro is involved. They drove out to the jail at night just to talk to Atticus about it. Mr. Underwood had to sit in his office window with a gun because he thought they were going to attack Atticus. Mr. Underwood preparations prove that these men get rowdy when it comes to negroes.

      • Vincent S. said:

        Yeah, why is it that JUST the Jail Group are the ones that get crazy about blacks? Like Melinda said, they looked so suspicious that Mr. Underwood had to have a gun out in-case anything happened.

      • I agree with Sydney. The jail group is stereotyping the blacks without knowing that person. The first group that warned Atticus seems nicer, but still, as Sydney said, they got rowdy too. The Jail group get crazy about the blacks because they think Tom Robinson hurt someone.

      • Shaun Ferren said:

        I agree with Melinda and Syd that the jail group was the “stark-raving mad” group. They were so eager to confront Atticus that they drove to the jail at night to see him. Also they were pretty sketchy in a way that they showed up at night in four cars with a double barrel shotgun. If they were rent “stark-raving mad” than they would have just waited and gone to his house like the other group did. I also agree with Oksana about the bad group stereotyping Tom because he’s black and wanting him harmed.

    • I agree with Sydney because the jail group really would get a little overboard about negroes. When they found out about Tom Robinson being in jail they got angry. I like how Melinda added that Mr. Underwood had to sit outside with a gun because he thought the jail men might do something stupid. This shows thatcher can get a little violent sometimes and people begin to be cautious about it.

  3. The two groups of men who confront Atticus in this chapter are very different. The men that appear at Atticus’s door step are good men. They support Atticus’s decision of wanting to help Tom Robinson and they also want to protect him. Mr. Tate believes that the other group of men want to hurt Tom. He says, “‘I don’t look for any trouble, but I can’t guarantee there won’t be any” (Lee 194). The group of men that Atticus meets with outside of the jail think differently of Tom. They do not like black people and they want to hurt him. The first groups goal is to help prove Tom’s innocence and keep him safe. The second group of men’s goal is to make sure Tom gets convicted and harm him.

    • I agree with Melinda, and to build on it, I think that the first group was supporting Atticus. They were agreeing him and maybe helping him figure out what to do. They want him to do the right thing because they think that Tom is innocent. The second group is against Atticus and do not agree with him. They have opposite views on Tom and believe that he did commit the crime

    • I like how Melinda started off by stating that the two groups of men are very different. This statement is also strong because she gives examples of how the men are different. I agree with her statement because the two groups really are like polar opposits. One group wants to hurt Tom and the other like him very well.

    • Sydney Hildreth said:

      To build on Melinda’s idea, the jail group seems very hostile. They want to physically harm Tom Robinson when he is in the jail. However, the first group is not for Atticus defending Tom Robinson. They just went to Atticus’s house to inform him that Tom was in jail. The first group was questioning why Atticus is defending Tom. The second group wanted to hurt Tom.

  4. Vincent S. said:

    (This post is about the two groups of men, and about when the men at the jail leave)

    The first group that came to Atticus’s home was for moving Tom Robinson to the county jail, due to the fact that some sort of mob might come for him (they eventually start referring to a group of some sort, possibly the KKK as “they” and what-not)

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    They all left because Scout started talking to Mr. Cunningham, she talked to him for awhile then he signaled them all to leave.

  5. Daniella said:

    #3
    The quote stated for shadows the men who talk to Atticus out side the jail house . They seem like perfectly sain except when negros come into the picture. I think they were trying to get to Mr Robinson . Atticus did well not letting them in.

  6. Daniella said:

    I agree with Melinda . I think the first group of men were trying to warn Atticus that Mr Robinson may be in danger. The second men Ty into question 3. Those men did not support Atticus .

  7. When Uncle Jack says to Atticus, “Why reasonable people go stark-raving mad when anything involving a Negro comes up, is something I don’t pretend to understand” (117), he is foreshadowing to chapter 15. The people who come to the jail are the reasonable people who go crazy. They think that just because the situation involves a black man, the black man is guilty. They don’t look at the facts, they just assume that since he is black, he is guilty

  8. In the very beginning the first group of men seems to be against him taking Mr. Tom Robinson’s side in the rape case. Also the first group was warning him for example Mr. Link Deas states “You’ve got everything to lose from this, Atticus. I mean everything” (Lee 195). While the second group of men, where going to use force to get want they wanted. The men that had the sheriff as their kind of leader were there to warn Atticus and not bring any harm to him, while the second group of men lead by Mr. Cunningham was more than giving to harm anyone to get want they wanted most.

  9. The second group lead by Mr. Cunningham cleared out right after Mr. Cunningham talked to Scout. I think Mr. Cunningham came to his senses and realized he was about to make a huge mistake or he was doing something wrong. Also just by her talking to Mr. Cunningham made the other men shocked it seemed and confused, Scout even stating “the men were looking at me, some had their mouth half-open”(Lee 205).

  10. Juliana said:

    The two groups of men what different things. The first group walks up the Atticus’s door and tells him that they like the way he is handling the trial. They like how he is supporting Tom Robinson no matter his race. The second group does not like his decision. They tell him to get away from the jail because they do not like what he is doing.

  11. The first group is led by sheriff Tate. He is at Atticus’s house to warn Atticus that Tom Robinson has been moved to the jail in Maycomb, and he fears it may lead to trouble. This group, unlike the other one is helping Atticus and giving him a friendly heads up. The other group is led by Mr. Cunningham and isn’t as friendly. This group had threatened Atticus and was probably going to harm Tom. Though they are not pure evil because they disperse once they realize that the children will not leave Atticus’s side and they don’t want to harm the children.

    • I agree with Jason. Sheriff didn’t want Tom Robinson hurt and he knew what the other group was doing. Knowing this he warned Atticus at his. Atticus took the right way and went to the jail so Tom wouldn’t get killed. Potentially scout jem and dill saved Atticus and Toms life.

    • Timmy and Jason both point out that the sheriff did not want Tom hurt. I agree with this that he had knowledge of what the group was doing. He knew what the group was doing and what their plans were regarding Tom Robinson.

  12. Juliana said:

    Atticus’s friends are the people he talk to in Maycomb. Those people are also his enemies in this case. Most of his friends are against him supporting Tom Robinson. This question is complicated because his friends and enemies are the same people.

  13. The men at the Jail leave because they have a sense of morality. Though what they intend to do is wrong they are not extremely evil, they are just some angry people who had a little too much to drink. I’m not saying they are saints, I’m saying that they’ve been raised a certain way and have had their judgement impaired. When they realized that the kids wouldn’t leave and that in order to get to Tome they’d have to go through Atticus. Which would include hurting the children.

  14. Both groups of men are very different despite them being neighbors. The first group are friends of Atticus and want to help him. They seem to have the same beliefs as Atticus and want to help him get through the social tensions he may face. The other group may be Atticus’s friends, but they strongly disagree with his morals. They don’t have the same views as Atticus and they want him to stop defending Tom Robinson. They are also involved with the tension Atticus faces with Maycomb and are on the opposing side.

    I think the men leave the jail because of Scout’s innocence. Scout clearly didn’t read the situation like the others did. She also seemed to remind the men that though her father’s beliefs goes against their beliefs that they are still neighbors. Not only that, but their kids know each other and go to the same school.

  15. The difference between the two group that confront Atticus this chapter is that one group came to inform and warn Atticus, while the other was going to execute Tom. The first group informed Atticus that Tom was being moved to a different jail and that a lynch mob may form. The other group arrived at the prison to execute Tom, but Atticus didn’t let them.

  16. There is a big difference between the two groups. The difference is their opinion on the Tom Robinson trial. The first group is supporting Atticuss action with the trial. The second group is against him and tell him that he won’t see heck Tate for awhile. Scout notices that Mr. Cunningham is in the second group.

  17. The men leave because of what Scott said. Mr.Cunningham listens to Scott and what she has to say. This proves that the men are sensitive, but are just not showing it. The men feel ashamed and go back from where they came from.

  18. In chapter 15, 2 groups of people that confronted Atticus. The first group came to warn Atticus about a Lynch mob that may go after Tom. They were led by the sheriff. The second group of people was led by Mr.Cunningham. They were a formed mob that demanded Atticus to let tom come out and let them kill him. These two groups have one thing in common, they’d both want to kill Tom. They think that he is guilty and there should not be a trial.

  19. The two men that appeared to confront Atticus are very different. The first group did not want to cause any trouble. Like Atticus mentioned “…those were our friends” (Lee 196). They are on supporting Atticus with his decision. The other group wanted to cause trouble. They wanted to hurt Tom and they’re are against Atticus helping Tom.

  20. Aislyn Welch said:

    The two groups of men that confront Atticus try to get him to leave the jail that Tom Robinson’s at. The two group want to kill Tom Robinson. One group was led by the Sheriff of the police station and the other group was led by Mr. Cumminham.

  21. The first group that confronts Atticus seemed like a group of friends that supported him. The second group that he met at the jail seemed rude and like they were out to hurt Tom Robinson. Even Scout notices that they are different people when she enters the circle. When Scout mentions his son to mr Cunningham, he seems to remember who he is and what he is doing. He seems to remember that he should not hurt the Finches because they are friends.
    Atticus says, “Why reasonable people go stark-raving mad when anything involving a Negro comes up, is something I don’t pretend to understand” (117). This foreshadows some of the finch’s friends going after Tom Robinson. Some of Atticus’s friends warned him about this, so they do not apply to this statement. I think that the men that showed up to the jail stopped because Scout made them realize who they are and that what they are doing is wrong.

  22. Shaun Ferren said:

    The difference between the two groups of men is that one group is good, and one group is bad. The gro that comes to Atticus’s door is the good group, they want to prove that Mr.Robinson is innocent. The group that shows up at the jail is the bad group, they don’t want Atticus to help him because he’s black. The first groups goal is to help Mr.Robinson. The second group’s goal is to make sure he is guilty and gets hurt.

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